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“Filly don’t do rebounds”
Here’s a story from Nikita Filatov’s days with the Columbus Blue Jackets, shared by Aaron Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch, who covers the team:
“One of Filatov’s many previous coaches calls him into room with video guy for one-on-one film work, to show him instances where they want him to crash the net and get to rebounds, create scoring chances.
After four or five clips, Filatov steps back from the monitor, looks at the coaches and says, flatly: “Filly don’t do rebounds.”
What is the point of this posting? Seems like Panzeri is hoping we railroad this kid out of town. Filatov’s actually been very responsible in his statements. Ottawa fans have a reputation for being hard on their local players, but some media seem to actively stoke the fire.
This just seems like an exercise of digging through the past to elicit a certain reaction. If he said it while he was a Senator, I think it would be relevant.
Just don’t run an article down the road claiming he’s squandered his chance at a fresh start in Ottawa; Not if you’re going to saddle him with negative press from his former team.
James, was Portzline in the room for this comment, if not, it seems to me that using such a defamatory quote, based on a story from a third party entirely lacks in any sort of credibility.
So, to say “Filatov said it” is not true, a coach, told Portzline, that Filatov said it.
If you cannot tell the HUGE difference between the two, you need to review your professional attributes.
GN
The day I start taking sourcing advice from an anonymous Internet commentator is the day I’ll review my professional attributes, whatever that means. Allen reported a story that was widely discussed today everywhere. I understand if you’re a fan, but that doesn’t change anything. We can’t ignore news because you’re a Nikita Filatov fan.
James,
No, you should review your professional attributes because you support running a story based entirely on third (at best) person hearsay, and in so doing impeach a mans character.
But, what is really fascinating is how you so easily dismiss me, based upon my supposed anonymity, but brazenly defend the credibility of Portzline’s anonymous source.
But then again, it would appear good journalism is only one of the victims of your lack of judgement.
My being a fan (which I am) doesn’t make me unable to use good judgement…what’s your excuse?
GN
BTW, I’m no fan of Filatov’s, in fact, apart from a faint hope that he may grow to help the Sens, I could care less about this kid.
What bothers me is the complete lack of credibility to this story, and the cheapshot/Enquirer mentality its posting exhibits.
Would you accept such professional criticism as valid if directed towards you?
If not, then why would you do so to him, public figure or not…because someone else said it first?
Seems dubious/unprofessional to me, and either you get that, or you don’t, and based upon your statements to date, you don’t.
But what do I know, right? I’m not a “journalist”, whatever that means any more in these days of reporting Tweats based upon hearsay.
GB
Are we really supposed to take that at face value? Who is this blogger getting this story from? What coach? When? WHy is it only coming out NOW of all times?
Seems like nothing but cheap character assassination. I wouldn’t believe that anyone uttered a line like “filly don’t do rebounds” verbatim unless I heard it with my own ears.
Sounds a little far fetched to me ..
Hopefully, before you start ruining a kid’s reputation, you are 100% sure he actually said this … which seems to me would be very hard to do.
Pretty straightforward with this guy…he has had opportunities, he hasn’t been effective in the top 6, and he doesn’t have the skill-set to be in the bottom 6. Guys like DaCosta have shown they can play at this level, Filatov hasn’t. On the other hand, Murray isn’t going to give up an asset for nothing…so he should just shut up and play for now.
He reposted something from a credible source in Columbus.
It’s relevant as it relates to a player on our roster (albeit AHL roster now).
It clearly indicates that Filatov DOES have attitude problems, among other red flags that Murray should have seen a mile away.
Don’t shoot the messenger, who is doing this on his own time.
Rather train the crosshairs to the GM that traded for him knowing full well what he was getting into.
Oh…and “Sensay”, “Senschirp”, etc. etc.
If you’re talking about professional attributes, let’s be honest but there’s only a handful of Senators bloggers that use their real names…Milks, Raaymakkers, etc. When you use yours and I use mine we can criticize James.
You need to wake up if you think NHL rookies aren’t enormously cocky and arrogant off the ice. These are people that have been groomed into thinking they are the chosen ones, treated with kid gloves and have absolutely zero responsbility off the ice.
As Ralph Waldo Emerson said…”Who you are is speaking so loudly that I can’t hear what you’re saying.”
I am inclined to believe the original report because Filatov’s actions never gave me an option to challenege it. He was a soft player who tried to rely on finesse and speed. When that did not work, he gave up. So, whether the words came out of his mouth or not, I am inclined to believe that they did because there is no evidence to the contrary in Filatov’s behaviour.
RecalSentrant,
My name is Gerald Norton, I’ve always used it, how that possibly impacts the legitimacy of the comments attributed to Filatov is beyond me, and appears to be, at best, a red herring to obscure the real issue I have with this article.
If James et. al. feel the article is legitimate, so be it, that is entirely their right, as it is mine to consider the article little more than gossip and hearsay.
If you believe this article sound be posted, that too is your right.
This is not about my identity, or yours, or even James, it is about the legitimacy of the article (or lack thereof). The fact I responded to James, is because he chose to contribute his opinion on this comments section…is it not right of me to then offer my opinion? I didn’t know mine was worth less, or inappropriate, if challenging that of Jame’s.
It should also be noted that James chose to offer a rebut-le to my response to him, thus eliciting further debate. Had he not wished to discuss the matter further he would have been better off not replying, and certainly not doing so directly to me (as I did to him).
The fact is this same comment, if about the Prime minister, would not have been posted, because it entirely lacked in bona-fide credibility. but, because it garners views, and plays into the hands of those wanting to bash Filatov (and he may well deserve it), they posted it.
If in fact Filatov deserves our scorn, should we not be able to point to verifiable reasons, wouldn’t that be a reasonable expectation of professional journalism?
Again, just my opinion, in response to James claiming Filatov said what he was accused of saying…which he has no way of knowing.
GN
Blue jackets victim here – Folks, a little perspective from Columbus. What is being ignored is that Portzline, who filed the original report, works for the Columbus Dispatch. Columbus is a one newspaper town and the Dispatch is it. Here’s where it gets juicy, the Dispatch are partial owners of the Jackets. So, year after year, we get reporting that is on it’s best day biased, on it’s worse, pure propaganda. The Jackets blew it with “Filly”. The tried to turn a racehorse into a plow horse because Hitchcock was the coach and when Hitch was in Columbus, he wanted a team filled with 260 pound defensemen. Why did Steve Mason look good as a rookie and has been horrible since? Columbus played defense – and nothing else – back then. Could “Filly” have said it? Maybe. I wasn’t there. Neither was Portzline. But since Filatov was, at that time, making people question how the Jackets were being run, I would put my money on this being team propaganda. Can’t question management, especially when the Dispatch is part of that management! Here’s what you need to know about the Jackets, beside that they are awful – the President of the team was the majority owner’s financial advisor. That’s his hockey background – trading stocks. If you owned a hockey team, would you hire your stock broker to run it? Me, neither. The team has been losing money for years, the arena is always half empty – except when a visiting team’s fans pack the place – and the Jackets are looking for a taxpayer bailout. So, sure, slander the players! Throw anyone and everyone under the bus, but NEVER take responsibility for mismanaging the team! So, ANYTHING you read from the Dispatch, read with a healthy dose of skepticism. There is an agenda there and it’s not good, investigative reporting. Eleven years of horrible hockey. Is that really just the fault of JUST the players and the coaches? Absolutely not. But saying anything else jeopardizes the bailout and enrages the bosses. And we can’t have that! So, tip of the cap to you Sensay. You are quite right to be skeptical. And shame on you Mr. Gordon for automatically giving a colleague the benefit of the doubt without understanding the dynamics of working for the Dispatch. I don’t blame Portzline. He probably has a family to feed. But, you, Mr. Gordon are not beholden to the Dispatch. You could have peeked under the rug and realized a LOT of dust is being swept under there.
As a professor of ethics (and huge hockey fan on the side), this is the most insightful exchange on journalism ethics I’ve ever read on an internet comment section. Mr. Gordon would do well to read these comments by jacketscasemenothingbutpain, and maybe he could break a real investigative journalism story by giving us a new angle on why Rick Nash might want out of Columbus!
And I am disappointed that James Gordon does not do a mea culpa in further response. Sensay seems absolutely right, and Gordon’s dismissive response is definitely below appropriate standards…
And finally, Mr Gordon might try to remember that it is not only only nut jobs that read and write on these comments …
While I should have said “a coach said this is what Filatov said,” I was writing a quick response to someone who was critical of us for reporting this at the time. A well-respected reporter (Portzline) wrote about a situation to do with an Ottawa player, which was picked up by every news outlet here. It would have been irresponsible for us to ignore it so as to prevent some people from accusing us of having a vendetta against Filatov or Allen trying to ‘railroad him out of town,’ which is laughable.
Since we’re on the topic of sourcing, where did I ever say that it’s only nutjobs who read and write comments on here? I try to respond to people all the time, whether it be here or on Twitter.
[...] Allan Panzeri shares a tremendous story by Columbus beat writer Aaron Portzline by soon-to-be-gone failed prospect Nikita Filatov. Even Allen Iverson thinks his linguistics are sassy. Filly don’t do rebounds and he sure don’t do NHL hockey now either. (Senators Extra) [...]
Then Filly don’t play in NHL!
What is the point of this posting? Seems like Panzeri is hoping we railroad this kid out of town. Filatov’s actually been very responsible in his statements. Ottawa fans have a reputation for being hard on their local players, but some media seem to actively stoke the fire.
How is this not relevant? Filatov said it, not Panzeri.
This just seems like an exercise of digging through the past to elicit a certain reaction. If he said it while he was a Senator, I think it would be relevant.
Just don’t run an article down the road claiming he’s squandered his chance at a fresh start in Ottawa; Not if you’re going to saddle him with negative press from his former team.
James, was Portzline in the room for this comment, if not, it seems to me that using such a defamatory quote, based on a story from a third party entirely lacks in any sort of credibility.
So, to say “Filatov said it” is not true, a coach, told Portzline, that Filatov said it.
If you cannot tell the HUGE difference between the two, you need to review your professional attributes.
GN
The day I start taking sourcing advice from an anonymous Internet commentator is the day I’ll review my professional attributes, whatever that means. Allen reported a story that was widely discussed today everywhere. I understand if you’re a fan, but that doesn’t change anything. We can’t ignore news because you’re a Nikita Filatov fan.
James,
No, you should review your professional attributes because you support running a story based entirely on third (at best) person hearsay, and in so doing impeach a mans character.
But, what is really fascinating is how you so easily dismiss me, based upon my supposed anonymity, but brazenly defend the credibility of Portzline’s anonymous source.
But then again, it would appear good journalism is only one of the victims of your lack of judgement.
My being a fan (which I am) doesn’t make me unable to use good judgement…what’s your excuse?
GN
BTW, I’m no fan of Filatov’s, in fact, apart from a faint hope that he may grow to help the Sens, I could care less about this kid.
What bothers me is the complete lack of credibility to this story, and the cheapshot/Enquirer mentality its posting exhibits.
Would you accept such professional criticism as valid if directed towards you?
If not, then why would you do so to him, public figure or not…because someone else said it first?
Seems dubious/unprofessional to me, and either you get that, or you don’t, and based upon your statements to date, you don’t.
But what do I know, right? I’m not a “journalist”, whatever that means any more in these days of reporting Tweats based upon hearsay.
GB
Are we really supposed to take that at face value? Who is this blogger getting this story from? What coach? When? WHy is it only coming out NOW of all times?
Seems like nothing but cheap character assassination. I wouldn’t believe that anyone uttered a line like “filly don’t do rebounds” verbatim unless I heard it with my own ears.
Sounds a little far fetched to me ..
Hopefully, before you start ruining a kid’s reputation, you are 100% sure he actually said this … which seems to me would be very hard to do.
Seems and odd thing for a rookie to say
Pretty straightforward with this guy…he has had opportunities, he hasn’t been effective in the top 6, and he doesn’t have the skill-set to be in the bottom 6. Guys like DaCosta have shown they can play at this level, Filatov hasn’t. On the other hand, Murray isn’t going to give up an asset for nothing…so he should just shut up and play for now.
Holy cow can we get off James’ back here?
He reposted something from a credible source in Columbus.
It’s relevant as it relates to a player on our roster (albeit AHL roster now).
It clearly indicates that Filatov DOES have attitude problems, among other red flags that Murray should have seen a mile away.
Don’t shoot the messenger, who is doing this on his own time.
Rather train the crosshairs to the GM that traded for him knowing full well what he was getting into.
Sheesh.
Oh…and “Sensay”, “Senschirp”, etc. etc.
If you’re talking about professional attributes, let’s be honest but there’s only a handful of Senators bloggers that use their real names…Milks, Raaymakkers, etc. When you use yours and I use mine we can criticize James.
Oh and final PS people…
You need to wake up if you think NHL rookies aren’t enormously cocky and arrogant off the ice. These are people that have been groomed into thinking they are the chosen ones, treated with kid gloves and have absolutely zero responsbility off the ice.
As Ralph Waldo Emerson said…”Who you are is speaking so loudly that I can’t hear what you’re saying.”
I am inclined to believe the original report because Filatov’s actions never gave me an option to challenege it. He was a soft player who tried to rely on finesse and speed. When that did not work, he gave up. So, whether the words came out of his mouth or not, I am inclined to believe that they did because there is no evidence to the contrary in Filatov’s behaviour.
oops–challenge
RecalSentrant,
My name is Gerald Norton, I’ve always used it, how that possibly impacts the legitimacy of the comments attributed to Filatov is beyond me, and appears to be, at best, a red herring to obscure the real issue I have with this article.
If James et. al. feel the article is legitimate, so be it, that is entirely their right, as it is mine to consider the article little more than gossip and hearsay.
If you believe this article sound be posted, that too is your right.
This is not about my identity, or yours, or even James, it is about the legitimacy of the article (or lack thereof). The fact I responded to James, is because he chose to contribute his opinion on this comments section…is it not right of me to then offer my opinion? I didn’t know mine was worth less, or inappropriate, if challenging that of Jame’s.
It should also be noted that James chose to offer a rebut-le to my response to him, thus eliciting further debate. Had he not wished to discuss the matter further he would have been better off not replying, and certainly not doing so directly to me (as I did to him).
The fact is this same comment, if about the Prime minister, would not have been posted, because it entirely lacked in bona-fide credibility. but, because it garners views, and plays into the hands of those wanting to bash Filatov (and he may well deserve it), they posted it.
If in fact Filatov deserves our scorn, should we not be able to point to verifiable reasons, wouldn’t that be a reasonable expectation of professional journalism?
Again, just my opinion, in response to James claiming Filatov said what he was accused of saying…which he has no way of knowing.
GN
Blue jackets victim here – Folks, a little perspective from Columbus. What is being ignored is that Portzline, who filed the original report, works for the Columbus Dispatch. Columbus is a one newspaper town and the Dispatch is it. Here’s where it gets juicy, the Dispatch are partial owners of the Jackets. So, year after year, we get reporting that is on it’s best day biased, on it’s worse, pure propaganda. The Jackets blew it with “Filly”. The tried to turn a racehorse into a plow horse because Hitchcock was the coach and when Hitch was in Columbus, he wanted a team filled with 260 pound defensemen. Why did Steve Mason look good as a rookie and has been horrible since? Columbus played defense – and nothing else – back then. Could “Filly” have said it? Maybe. I wasn’t there. Neither was Portzline. But since Filatov was, at that time, making people question how the Jackets were being run, I would put my money on this being team propaganda. Can’t question management, especially when the Dispatch is part of that management! Here’s what you need to know about the Jackets, beside that they are awful – the President of the team was the majority owner’s financial advisor. That’s his hockey background – trading stocks. If you owned a hockey team, would you hire your stock broker to run it? Me, neither. The team has been losing money for years, the arena is always half empty – except when a visiting team’s fans pack the place – and the Jackets are looking for a taxpayer bailout. So, sure, slander the players! Throw anyone and everyone under the bus, but NEVER take responsibility for mismanaging the team! So, ANYTHING you read from the Dispatch, read with a healthy dose of skepticism. There is an agenda there and it’s not good, investigative reporting. Eleven years of horrible hockey. Is that really just the fault of JUST the players and the coaches? Absolutely not. But saying anything else jeopardizes the bailout and enrages the bosses. And we can’t have that! So, tip of the cap to you Sensay. You are quite right to be skeptical. And shame on you Mr. Gordon for automatically giving a colleague the benefit of the doubt without understanding the dynamics of working for the Dispatch. I don’t blame Portzline. He probably has a family to feed. But, you, Mr. Gordon are not beholden to the Dispatch. You could have peeked under the rug and realized a LOT of dust is being swept under there.
As a professor of ethics (and huge hockey fan on the side), this is the most insightful exchange on journalism ethics I’ve ever read on an internet comment section. Mr. Gordon would do well to read these comments by jacketscasemenothingbutpain, and maybe he could break a real investigative journalism story by giving us a new angle on why Rick Nash might want out of Columbus!
And I am disappointed that James Gordon does not do a mea culpa in further response. Sensay seems absolutely right, and Gordon’s dismissive response is definitely below appropriate standards…
And finally, Mr Gordon might try to remember that it is not only only nut jobs that read and write on these comments …
Mr. Berkman,
While I should have said “a coach said this is what Filatov said,” I was writing a quick response to someone who was critical of us for reporting this at the time. A well-respected reporter (Portzline) wrote about a situation to do with an Ottawa player, which was picked up by every news outlet here. It would have been irresponsible for us to ignore it so as to prevent some people from accusing us of having a vendetta against Filatov or Allen trying to ‘railroad him out of town,’ which is laughable.
Since we’re on the topic of sourcing, where did I ever say that it’s only nutjobs who read and write comments on here? I try to respond to people all the time, whether it be here or on Twitter.
Awaiting your mea culpa,
James